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Tip In, Toronto Raptors' Post Game: Leaving With a Win

April 13th, 2009
 
Vicious D hopes Parker has a place on the team next year...Franchise just wants a higher draft pick.
Vicious D hopes Parker has a place on the team next year...Franchise just wants a higher draft pick.


For the Raptors, winning for the fans was reason enough to cheer.

Yes, we all might be arguing about draft picks and off season moves soon, but while there's basketball still to be played, we can't complain about an effort that left the Raptors with a win in their final home game of the season.

After all, the Raptors could have easily packed it in as they've done multiple times this season. However, with Toronto getting top production from all their starters and some much needed bench production, they managed to pull away with a 111-104 victory over the free-falling 76ers.

It wasn't the best of games ever played by the Raptors, nor should we expect this game to outline plans for the future. But as an isolated game, at the tail end of a terrible year, on the day that the fans came out to support the team, things worked out the way the Dinos wanted them to.

In this game, Toronto got just enough out of guys like Andrea Bargnani, who was excellent at intimidating the 76ers in the paint with six blocks for the night. If it wasn't for foul trouble for most of the game, Bargnani would have probably done much better offensively than his already-efficient 17 points. Chris Bosh was his usual steady self, giving the Raptors a workman level of play, and toss in some help from Jose Calderon, Anthony Parker, and a verry effective Shawn Marion, and all five Raps starters reached double figures.

Ironically, the difference makers for this game had to have been Quincy Douby and Patrick O'Bryant. While I don't expect either player to suddenly bloom into a bonafide stud that will challenge for minutes, both did a more than serviceable job for one evening. Douby, in particular, relieved Calderon with a steady hand for almost 11 1/2 minutes of play. Making his shots when they presented themselves, but concerned more with just making the correct, simple play, Douby displayed an almost Calderon-like calm on the court and allowed the Raptors to eventually take the lead.

On the other hand, O'Bryant finally gave the Raptors the size they've been asking for since his inclusion into the rotation. Making cuts, dunking with aggression, and getting five rebounds in 18 minutes of play, O'Bryant was not a force, but he did just enough to give Bosh and Bargnani the rest they needed when there was foul trouble.

Couple all that with 10 turnovers by Andre Iguodala, and you get the 31st Toronto Raptors win.

The most interesting part of the game, though, had to be the pre-game comments by Jack Armstrong. The discussion in question was concerning Bryan Colangelo's direction for the summer, and I couldn't agree more with Jack. He talked at length about how while Bosh is a great player, he may not be the right fit for the team moving forward, and it's something that Colangelo is going to have to look into when making his summer renovations on his stable of Raptors players.

And that doesn't only concern Bosh, as the Raptors need to think a lot about whether or not to bring Anthony Parker back in the right role for the upcoming year. There's no question that I believe that Parker is an important part of this team that is lacking experienced hands but should he start going forward? Perhaps not but on the flip side, we've seen him struggle coming off the bench this year.

Jack Armstrong also talked about building a team with a proper identity, and he mentioned that Toronto needs to have the correct personnel to compliment Bosh and Bargnani, especially if the Raptors expect to retain both. Jack mentioned the need for tougher and stronger wing players as a juxtaposition to the finesse nature of both Bargnani and Bosh. Of course, the corollary of that argument is that if the Raptors can't get that kind of toughness and athleticism from their wings, they'll need to move one of the two big men.

And that's of course what makes this upcoming summer so interesting to be sure.

Vicious D


Was it great for the fans for Toronto to get one last win at home?

Perhaps.

Am I happy about this?

Unlike my partner in crime, Vicious D, not so much. With a loss by the Knicks, Toronto again grabs that eighth spot in the draft, lottery aside, and puts a little more distance between themselves and suddenly charging Golden State.

Yes, the Raptors’ played some solid defense last night, forcing Philadelphia to turn the ball over and shoot low-percentage shots.

But really, it didn’t make me change my stance from late in Toronto’s six-game winning streak; I truly believe that this team, as presently constructed and healthy, would have made the playoffs had we started the season from scratch. There is just such a drop-off from Cleveland, Boston and Orlando that I really think the Raptors would have been battling it out with Miami and Atlanta for fourth or fifth in the conference.

And from a big-picture perspective, do I even want that scenario?

Not exactly, and that’s why I’d much prefer for this team to continue losing out, upping the chances of grabbing a top 3 pick overall, thereby facilitating the addition of superior talent.

This isn’t the NHL.

In the NBA, one or two new players can make a huge difference to a team.

This year is full of examples of this too, from Mo Williams and the Cavs, to even Derrick Rose and the Bulls.

On the flip side, we’ve seen many-a-team that has gone the opposite direction when they’ve been missing key pieces – Toronto’s opponent tonight, the Washington Wizards, being exhibit A. Minus Gilbert Arenas and Brendan Haywood, and a few other players for chunks of time, Washington tumbled to the worst record in the league, and now find themselves with a great shot at the top overall pick. Should they land a Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio, and have a healthy Arenas and Haywood to complement their other pieces next year, it’s hard not to see them jumping back into the East’s elite.

So here’s a question; if you’re a new NBA GM walking into a situation, would you rather be taking over in Philly or in Washington?

I found myself thinking about this while watching last night’s Raps game. In the current NBA, long-term contracts for big money are a huge negative unless the player receiving the cheques is named Lebron, Kobe, Dwyane etc. Washington may have some large salaries which look a bit risky at the moment but compare that to Philadelphia! The 76ers are going to be paying over $37 Million next year just to three of their players, Andre Iguodala, Elton Brand and Samuel Dalembert. Throw in the need to re-sign Andre Miler and the fact that they have guys like Willie Green and Reggie Evans on the books for about $5 Million per, and there’s not a lot of wiggle room going forward.

Compounding the salary situation is that Brand couldn’t remain healthy and even when he was playing earlier in the year, just wasn’t meshing with the running style of his teammates.

The Raptors of course found themselves in a similar situation after the Jermaine O’Neal trade however managed to dump some of that financial responsibility, and with a shot at a top pick in the draft, now can possibly rebuild quickly around key pieces not only to get back into the playoffs next year, but to advance past the first round, something that looks like an impossibility for the free-falling 76ers.

In fact, would you rather be in Ed Stefanski’s shoes right now, or Bryan Colangelo’s?

As much-maligned as BC has been this year, I think the answer is obvious.

Therefore as Toronto prepares to take on the aforementioned Wizards in their second-last game of the season tonight, the only 3 keys I’ll be looking at are lots of minutes for O’Bryant, Ukic, Douby and co., loss number 50, and yet another opportunity for Bryan Colangelo and his staff to do some evaluation on this group before switching into draft mode.

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SwirskysSoldier says:
April 13th, 2009
I gotta say I think we don't lose in a game like this. A loss means the chance of a better pick... a win means they fulfilled their duty on fan night. (would it be fair for the Raps to not put in a full effort on Fan night?) One of the rare times this year the Raps couldn't go wrong.
 
McGateway says:
April 13th, 2009
I find it interesting that the idea that Parker should be retained in some capacity in one breath, then pointing out how ineffective he has been coming off the bench (the ideal situation for him at this stage). Personally, I do not see any reason to resign him unless the Raptors can find a taker for Kaponks as they do not have much room under the cap to sing a guy whose contributions have been diminishing over the last year and a half. Yes, I know he can provide flexibility position wise but I just do not see him as a starter and I think I would rather have the Raps sign a younger player to fill his role especially since I am not sure he would sign a one year contract (the longest I would give him) for a small dollar amount.
 
Vicious D says:
April 13th, 2009
McG - Haha. It's something that had to be pointed out and something Colangelo will have to make Parker know going into next year. Granted, if they draft a SG, I can envision Parker starting, but giving most of the minutes to the draft pick or whoever we may pick up in the off season.

I just don't think you can put a price on what Parker brings off the court and even in PR rep. Outside of Bosh, he may be the next most personable Raptor, he's been mentoring a lot of the younger Raptors, and he is a leader in the locker room by all accounts.
 
Geoff says:
April 13th, 2009
The Raptors must lead the League in guys that could be described as "he would look great at the end of the bench". O'Bryant showed enough vs. the 76ers to warrant a roster spot on an NBA club -- but he's soft as butter (he'd make a great prop for the dunk contest)

And for all the talk about Bosh not being worth a max contract, I'd rather have 22 and 9-10 boards per night instead of building around a starting centre that gives you 2 boards... Unless this team can rebound and defend the perimeter next season, the wins are going to be in short supply.
 
fromlongrange says:
April 13th, 2009
Such a weirdo season. I was hoping for another loss last night too but what i find annoying is seeing teams like philly and atl making the playoffs. Neither of these teams is that great really and if bc can just get the right pieces together this summer, i see t.o. jumping back up in the standings.
 
SwirskysSoldier says:
April 13th, 2009
Geoff - I think the concern with Bosh is more than just a max contract (and I think it is fair to debate whether he is worth that or not). I think the more important issue is will he still be here after 2010. Letting Bosh walk and getting nothing in return could/would be a huge issue. Regardless of what Bosh's trade value is worth (or what BC could get for him) something is better than nothing. If Bosh doesn't sign an extension this offseason (regardless of the $ value) I don't see how BC can risk not trading him.

Its not like Toronto is a magnet for free agents.
 
Franchise says:
April 13th, 2009
With the way the salary cap is going, I'm not so much worried about Toronto attracting free agents as I am about getting our GM and coach on the same page in terms of style etc, and THEN looking at players to fit the new philosophy.

And with so few teams having money to spend this off-season, TO should be able to attract some solid players.
 
SwirskysSoldier says:
April 13th, 2009
Franchise - I do agree that priority needs to be placed on this teams 'philosophy'. They have talked about going in one direction while heading in another.

However, in regards to attracting players, there are two important factors that are over looked. That is national spotlight and endorsements. Those are two things that are hard to get when playing in Toronto as opposed to U.S. teams in basketball. How many nationally (US that is) televised games did Toronto get when they were on the rise with VC? Very few. And since? Almost none. Teams like Miami and New York (even though they have not been dominant in the last few years) still get them. Players (or more importantly their agents) recognize this and know that more TV time, means more time to show off their skills, which means more money in the future (and most importantly more endorsement deals which is where the real $ are). I will say players seem to love Toronto when they play here... but few are attracted to, or even know much, about Toronto.

I know that players will often "follow the money" but the money isn't always in contract deals. The only good player I can recall that Toronto has signed was Antonio Daniels... everyone else was drafted or traded for.
 
Vicious D says:
April 13th, 2009
Swirsk - True, but I'd also say that Toronto has an advantage over places such as Minnesota, Atlanta, and heck, even a pre-LeBron Cleveland. It all comes down to winning and getting on ESPN's schedule; something the Raptors have not done consistently.
 
NigelN says:
April 13th, 2009
Hey guys,

What is Triano's system? How does the current line-up fit into the system?

Personally I think that in a league that values the play of 2's and 3's over bigs, having 2 quality bigs is a luxury this team can't afford.

Mind you Orlando is doing pretty good by focusing its cap at the 3, 4 and 5.
 
SwirskysSoldier says:
April 13th, 2009
ViciousD - i will say T.O. has an advantage over the cities you named (I'd add Charlotte to that list to) but that is not much to get excited about.

And winning is a cure all for anything that pains an NBA team. But isn't that the catch 22. So, if we say winning attracts TV ratings - and ratings mean TV time - and TV time attract FAs (through endorsements, spotlight etc)

Therefore if Toronto isn't/hasn't been winning - they will not get TV time - therefore they do not attract FAs.

Hence Toronto's current dilema. We can't get FA to improve this team, because we haven't been winning, meaning Toronto needs to find a way to win. So how does this team do that without FAs?
1)Draft - maybe... but still always a crap shoot especially without a #1-5 pick and without a LBJ coming up

2)Trade - the most likely scenario, but who does Toronto trade to make this team going forward? Its not like our bench holds alot of appeal. That means either Bosh, Jose or AB... and due to Bosh's contract issues I'd argue him.

3)Keep the current team/small moves - I still think we could only hope for the best doing this. Maybe this year was only speed bump on the road...

If we were NY, Boston, Miami, LA we wouldn't have these problems attracting FAs (they have the markets to spend $). If we had a Mark Cuban who spends (and loses) millions every year just to get a good team, we don't have this problem (but we have the MLSE instead - arguably the anti-Cuban)

I hope this didn't come out to confusing (I re-read it and was a bit confused myself)...
 
JENGE says:
April 13th, 2009

I will be happy if we can assemble next year:

1. a BENCH that embodies lethality in both scoring, toughness, calm, cerebrality and defence.
Hopefully this can be done to fit the following two criteria:
a)finding ideal back-ups for starters that act as super-subs and can be very effective should a starter be injured or have foul trouble;
b)creating that 'second unit' cohesiveness we so crave, and is reminiscent of back when Jose was the major cog off the bench subbing for TJ.

I see glimmers of this when JoeyG. has a good night, but of course this has to be supplemented.

Last night was a good bench night.

This alone will give us more wins next year. Lets hope we can also have the wing positions showing some promise.

DeRozan, T.Will, T.Smith? All should be within our grasp.
 
RaptorsAddict says:
April 13th, 2009
From the arguments put forth in the comments, it's apparent that we need to improve via trades and the draft. The good news is that this year we should be able to pick up draft picks cheap, plus we have lots of roster sports if we choose to not re-up Parker, Marion, Voskuhl, etc. By the way, I also hope to god we don't bring Parker back. While he's still an asset to some team, that team is not the current incarnation of the Raps. And please, don't give me the "he's a good guy in the dressing room" talk; talent trumps 'tude, just ask Phil Jackson. So, going forward, I'd trade Bosh for the best package I could get. Who knows, we might even be able to trade him to the Clips for their high pick (who will have a high salary Donald Sterling might not be interested in when he could have Bosh for only twice the amount), or to the Warriors for Randolph + youth + picks. Either way, we need to ship him out, assuming the potential return is reasonable (i.e. we don't take the VC to NJ stinkbomb this time, but instead turn him into valuable assets). As for the draft, I"m all about Rubio, Derozan, Tyreke Evans, T. Williams and Tyler Smith (who can likely be had for a song). The only way I see us getting Ricky is if we get the Clips pick or win the lottery (in which case I pick him over Blake Griffin in a heartbeat). If we end up 8th we should still be able to get DeRozan or Evans, both of whom would be great pickups for the Raps in my opinion.
 
yardly says:
April 13th, 2009
Vicious D's second-last paragraph really resonates with me. I had been pondering a similar thought last week, perhaps having so many mismatch threats (Bosh at 4, Bargs at 5) could result in us outsmarting ourselves. There is a reason that the players that rebound the best, and block shots the best are the ones playing closest to the basket. Conversely, there is a reason why the players with the best guard-skills are in fact guards. The size that makes a player a great "big", is what also hinders their attempts to drive the basket, and navigate screens for open shots. The smaller stature of a wing player, operates against them when they venture inside to pick up rebounds among the trees.

If we recruit any other "mismatch" threats, I want it to be because they have augmented the usual position-specific skills. A mismash of skills spanning multiple positions sounds more like a tweener to me.

And by having two finesse bigmen, you paint yourself in a corner regarding the players that best complement your existing talent. How many wing players "play big" while still capable of being a top 3 offensive option? Are they in the minority? I'd rather give BC the flexibility of looking for the best SG/SF who can be a top 3 offensive option, that task is hard enough as it is.

Using a camper analogy, I'm in the camp that "toughness and strength" should come from the big that shares the court with the main finesse big. There is no sense in retaining Bargs without a big who EXCELS at rebounding and interior defense. That's a player I'd be looking for as part of any package for Bosh. And as someone alluded two a few threads ago, you need that player to be smaller, quicker and more athletic then Bargs, so that the more plodding of the two opposing bigmen is the one that is forced to come out and guard Bargnani on the perimeter.
 
Doug says:
April 13th, 2009
I think the Raps need some toughness. Looking at the free agent market - Ron Artest really stands out to me. Toughness and a presence of Rough and tuff. Rasheed being a C, I don't know, Boozer PF, not sure? Defensive intensity might be one of the most important thing this team needs. Artest plays SF, maybe Parker can back him up. We would have to lose Marion because I think it would cost a lot for Artest 18 points, 5.5 rebs and 4.5 ast this season.

Then maybe go for the best possible player in the draft, with a real winning attitude, no matter what the position and real fresh breath of air. Like a Lawson or Maynor. but sitting between 8 and 11 picks, Derozan, Evans, B. Jennings, Harden or Henderson should be real nice shot of talent.
Bosh is great to have, he does bail his teammates out late in the clock, and is a team guy. He's a real 20, 10 guy.
So looking at the free agent market, Artest would be a perfect answer for this team, seems like a no brainer. Who would you want?
 
Doug says:
April 13th, 2009
Watching Highlights of the top 10 prospects on nbadraft.net, and I can't decide who I like better Derozan, Jennings or Harden.
This might not make any sense at all, but I would actually trade Calderon for a Jennings or Lawson. Then draft a Derozan, then add Artest.
 
Interloper says:
April 13th, 2009
Ponder this: New Jersey revisited -- they want LeBron in 2010 for their eventual move to Brooklyn, why not give them a newly contracted Bosh to further entice LeBron, in exchange for Brook Lopez as the more traditional complement to Bargnani and perhaps one Vincent Lamar with picks?
Crazy? Maybe. Helps both teams short term and long -- yes. Thoughts?
 
tea time says:
April 13th, 2009
bosh with the dagger. sweeet.

alright trading bosh to nj would be sick. brook lopez would be an amazing addition to our team and would definitely compliment bargs, where bargs could be moved to the 4. also can we also take CDR. The HQ loved this guy from the draft. Franchise would finally be happy, i think
 
tea time says:
April 13th, 2009
oh no i forgot the raps won, so i guess franchise would be slightly upset. i was but i found peace with it. next game they better lose though unless we cant get higher in the draft. i didnt check the standings but hopefully theres still a chance
 
Oyster Boy says:
April 13th, 2009
If my math serves me correct, it now seems a lock that we will have the 9th position in the lottery. Hopefully a few balls can bounce our way and bring us to a top 3 pick.
 
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